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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:47 pm

Not long after writing my last contribution to this topic I was suddenly struck by another very odd happening in a hospital in the midlands. It was a small hospital that was concerned mostly with orthopeadic matters and the subject of this visit completely escapes me.

I had had a request to go and meet on of the surgeons and enlighten him about something or other. I had spoken to him over the 'phone and arranged a suitable time and date. He said that he might be "in theatre" when called, but he would be able to come out as and when.

I presented myself to the door he had suggested and the receptionist showed me into a little room just off from the reception area. It was a room slightly bigger than the size of the average sitting room. It had a door opposite the one through which I entered and these doors  were right at the end if their wall in the corner. In the corner diametrically opposite the entry I had come through was an office desk and a chair. There were sit-up straight chairs right round the walls.
I turned right and walked to the corner.

I had only been there about ten minutes when the through the door I had used came two policemen. Their garb suggested to me they were "traffic cops".  They both sat down  just next to the door through which I had entered.
A very noisey silence ensued for about a quarter of an hour. I broke it by asking if they had just brought in a crash victim. The reply was  "Oh! no. We often drop in for a cup of tea if we are in the area."

The noisey silence was broken again after about another ten minutes, by the entry of a tea trolley.
There was a little light banter between the police and the tea maids, and as this was happening the other door opened and in came the surgeon.
He was devoid of some of the usual operating garments but still had on his mask and wellys. He went to his desk  and pulled out a pipe and started to clean out the ash in order to refill it.
Being a pipeman myself I walked across and offered my hand  shake and a pouch of tobacco.
I took a seat nearer his desk and a cup of tea from one of the girls and quiet reigned again for a few moments.

 The policemen drank their tea fairly quickly, and moved on with a "cheerio" and was left to finish my tea and talk to the surgeon about ???????
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:02 pm

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Hi andsome some are not so lucky in Wales due to the Welsh Assembly who control the NHS budgets. Vital cancer drugs are being denied patients because of the cost. I believe the trust is 42 million pounds in debt. The Welsh Assembly was going to refuse further funding but the government had to step in as we would have been the first hospital in Wales to have been refused funding. 

The care is amazing and no criticism that the care you will have. Some are denied due to budget restraints. You would be totally unaware of that though.

It is like our own housekeeping budget.  There is only so much you can live on. Do you have a holiday or car or just survive on everyday essentials. The pot is limited so choices have to be made.

On the surface our hospital looked clean. It's the areas the public do not see are a bit to be desired.

Despite having paid all my contributions in the UK. We have to pay 120 euros a month to gain access to the public health system till my state pension kicks in in two years. My choice I know and I wouldn't have it any different. 

Health care here is excellent and spotless. You have two beds to a room with en suite shower. Nursing care is excellent to none with one to one nursing care. No drug is denied and a full service of all cancer drugs available. Apart from travel,  to Gran Canaria for radiotherapy if needed.

prescriptions in Wales are free unlike England.

Prescriptions here you pay full rate of the cost of the drug, no discount for me until I reach pension age.

The pharmacies are in control of their own budgets but very helpful.  Tourists can no longer buy drugs over the counter and us anymore even Paracetamol or any pain relief. All have  to go on prescription so are forced to go to the clinic. The doctor may refuse that if it is just a simple medication.

Our accident and emergency centres are actually in the clinics and not in the hospital,.

Most of us residents are grateful for the service we recieve. They will not turn you away unless thought non urgent, such as sunburn or minor ailments. Tourists seem surprised they cannot simply throw themselves into a clinic as in the UK with an aching  toe nail.

If it's urgent you get treated if not you are sent away. Sunburn is self  inflicted same as alcohol poisoning. They are warned about the dangers.

Jelly fish stings the same. The vulnerable like the elderly will get treated but healthier  people may not be.

My care has been second to none and excellent in my eyes.i have all the medication and dressing care I need


Until I had the mini seizures and I was stopped diving we ran two cars. I have now sold my car as I have had another two seizures and would have been suspended from driving for a further six months. We have always had at least one holiday a year,sometimes several short breaks,and had several planned for this year. These have had to be cancelled as even if my wife had not had her recent problems she will not drive long distances. We are quite comfortable as I saved hard over the years with my retirement in mind. I sympathise with those who due to a low income have not been able to accrue a decent private pension,but there are many in this country who have peed thousands of pounds up the proverbial wall,and many others who have lived beyond their means. Regarding medication costs, in the U.K. Of course pensioners get free prescriptions.

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:05 pm

Back to topic. I think dogs on some wards and in some care homes are a wonderful idea.

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:16 pm

So do I andsome . Lovely for any patient ... besides which I gather they are to be trained therapy dogs.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:06 pm

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Goldie wrote:
Hi andsome some are not so lucky in Wales due to the Welsh Assembly who control the NHS budgets. Vital cancer drugs are being denied patients because of the cost. I believe the trust is 42 million pounds in debt. The Welsh Assembly was going to refuse further funding but the government had to step in as we would have been the first hospital in Wales to have been refused funding. 

The care is amazing and no criticism that the care you will have. Some are denied due to budget restraints. You would be totally unaware of that though.

It is like our own housekeeping budget.  There is only so much you can live on. Do you have a holiday or car or just survive on everyday essentials. The pot is limited so choices have to be made.

On the surface our hospital looked clean. It's the areas the public do not see are a bit to be desired.

Despite having paid all my contributions in the UK. We have to pay 120 euros a month to gain access to the public health system till my state pension kicks in in two years. My choice I know and I wouldn't have it any different. 

Health care here is excellent and spotless. You have two beds to a room with en suite shower. Nursing care is excellent to none with one to one nursing care. No drug is denied and a full service of all cancer drugs available. Apart from travel,  to Gran Canaria for radiotherapy if needed.

prescriptions in Wales are free unlike England.

Prescriptions here you pay full rate of the cost of the drug, no discount for me until I reach pension age.

The pharmacies are in control of their own budgets but very helpful.  Tourists can no longer buy drugs over the counter and us anymore even Paracetamol or any pain relief. All have  to go on prescription so are forced to go to the clinic. The doctor may refuse that if it is just a simple medication.

Our accident and emergency centres are actually in the clinics and not in the hospital,.

Most of us residents are grateful for the service we recieve. They will not turn you away unless thought non urgent, such as sunburn or minor ailments. Tourists seem surprised they cannot simply throw themselves into a clinic as in the UK with an aching  toe nail.

If it's urgent you get treated if not you are sent away. Sunburn is self  inflicted same as alcohol poisoning. They are warned about the dangers.

Jelly fish stings the same. The vulnerable like the elderly will get treated but healthier  people may not be.

My care has been second to none and excellent in my eyes.i have all the medication and dressing care I need


Until I had the mini seizures and I was stopped diving we ran two cars.  I have now sold my car as I have had another two seizures and would have been suspended from driving  for a further six months. We have always had at least one holiday a year,sometimes several short breaks,and had several planned for this year. These have had to be cancelled as even if my wife had not had her recent problems she will not drive long distances. We are quite comfortable as I saved hard over the years with my retirement in mind. I sympathise with those who due to a low income have not been able to accrue a decent private pension,but there are many in this country who have peed thousands of pounds up the proverbial wall,and many others who have lived beyond their means. Regarding medication costs, in the U.K. Of course pensioners get free prescriptions.
Agree Andsome. I had my full pension but lost out through the sale of the marital home, which I had paid off due to the ex refusing to work. He still lives there.

My ex lost out to a women who spent most of her day eating chocolate and watching soaps. Although worked spas spasmodic ally when yet another chocolate bar was calling and conducting dubious  liaisons and  relationships, refused ever to get a private pension. She just grew in size  smile

my husband worked up to 80 hours a week to support the family as he felt it was his duty.. Suddenly she up and of an went to Stoke and demanded half of his pension. She also wanted the marital home. My mum in law saw sense and guided him to stay put at an emotional time.

We had both saved hard. My ex still trying to get my inheritance  which was not much due to care costs. I nursed my mum first two whole years whilst working to save her going into social care. The solicitor ring fenced all my accounts but  my ex  cleared out the joint account.

We made our bucket list and decided to travel I had my own home but still had a mortgage and worked till I dropped mostly.

We had a look at our finances and decided to take a giant leap in the dark. We sold in the UK, got rid of cars and any fancy ideas.

We brought a villa and sold a few months ago, making a nice little profit.

We owe nowt to anybody, we live simply as that is all you need out here and now have savings once again.

Food is cheap and fresh and we live comfortably.

My gripe with the the social system in the UK is unmarried mothers  and others claiming sometimes more that I was earning full time  and getting free social housing.

There is a need for more social housing for those most in need. More social  homes built to replace dwindling ones that have never been built in years,.

Hard luck the NIMBY population more homes are needed in my view to care for real need.

It has worked social housing in more affluent areas as if you live in a decent location then people tend to look after their homes in the same way, just as some of the council estates in the UK.

My mum in law lives in her council house but brought many years ago. The estate often wins bloom of the year competitions as everyone has a sense of pride.  smile
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:17 am

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Not long after writing my last contribution to this topic I was suddenly struck by another very odd happening in a hospital in the midlands. It was a small hospital that was concerned mostly with orthopeadic matters and the subject of this visit completely escapes me.

I had had a request to go and meet on of the surgeons and enlighten him about something or other. I had spoken to him over the 'phone and arranged a suitable time and date. He said that he might be "in theatre" when called, but he would be able to come out as and when.

I presented myself to the door he had suggested and the receptionist showed me into a little room just off from the reception area. It was a room slightly bigger than the size of the average sitting room. It had a door opposite the one through which I entered and these doors  were right at the end if their wall in the corner. In the corner diametrically opposite the entry I had come through was an office desk and a chair. There were sit-up straight chairs right round the walls.
I turned right and walked to the corner.

I had only been there about ten minutes when the through the door I had used came two policemen. Their garb suggested to me they were "traffic cops".  They both sat down  just next to the door through which I had entered.
A very noisey silence ensued for about a quarter of an hour. I broke it by asking if they had just brought in a crash victim. The reply was  "Oh! no. We often drop in for a cup of tea if we are in the area."

The noisey silence was broken again after about another ten minutes, by the entry of a tea trolley.
There was a little light banter between the police and the tea maids, and as this was happening the other door opened and in came the surgeon.
He was devoid of some of the usual operating garments but still had on his mask and wellys. He went to his desk  and pulled out a pipe and started to clean out the ash in order to refill it.
Being a pipeman myself I walked across and offered my hand  shake and a pouch of tobacco.
I took a seat nearer his desk and a cup of tea from one of the girls and quiet reigned again for a few moments.

 The policemen drank their tea fairly quickly, and moved on with a "cheerio" and was left to finish my tea and talk to the surgeon about ???????
I am surprised he did not have a Mac Donald and Chips. Maybe an infection risk from the policemen, tea maids, receptionist, and surgeon. He would not have changed his wellies that's for sure.

Certainly makes you think  smile
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:16 am

the police have always had a torturous relationship with hospital staff - they often come together at moments of grief and criminality - I have seen A/E staff refuse questioning rights by the police on the grounds of 'patient unfit for questioning'

but the police are often visitors to hospitals and so also have a collegiate relationship and share a cup of tea and sandwich if possible and try to share a story or two!!
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:57 am

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the police have always had a torturous relationship with hospital staff - they often come together at moments of grief and criminality - I have seen A/E staff refuse questioning rights by the police on the grounds of 'patient unfit for questioning'

but the police are often visitors to hospitals and so also have a collegiate relationship and share a cup of tea and sandwich if possible and try to share a story or two!!
Hi Dav  smile

We had two burly policemen on site who regularly popped in to have a cuppa. They were great guys and a good laugh as well.  

Once two porters played a joke on me. We had a special lift where the poor unfortunate soul  who had passed away all encased in a special container.  I went into the lift and one of the porters decided to jump out of the container. I jumped so high in the air and screamed. It was funny though but not at the time. I was only in my thirties at the time  smile

Unfortunately we do have a sick sense of humour to be able to cope with tradegy.

We never mock a patient though or relatives.

We always lighted a candle and left a window open so their spirit could go to a beter place x
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:35 am

1985 and my kidney op had just been done. No micro-surgery in those days. Some big cuts and a lot of pain. I was well down in the spirits until the day came that I was able to get make my way out into the car park. Mrs mart had brought our dog along. Me and the dog were both overjoyed to see each other.

I therefore know how a pet can raise the spirits. It certainly did me no end of good. However, I don't think I'd have been pleased to see the dog on the ward because hygiene considerations would certainly come first.

I think a visiting animal/pet, even though a spirit-raiser, is something that shouldn't be allowed because of the health risks to patients. Good for the soul but not the body.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:12 pm

I agree Mart - one case of rabies and ya done for! - still what's a bit of rabies in the hospital!
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:43 pm

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I agree Mart - one case of rabies and ya done for! - still what's a bit of rabies in the hospital!

Due to our very strict quarantine laws,we do not get rabies in the UK

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:38 pm

well I would suggest that you apply very strict quarantine laws about keeping animals out of hospitals!
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:55 pm

davo wrote:
well I would suggest that you apply very strict quarantine laws about keeping animals out of hos



Obviously there are certain wards that would not be suitable for visits.  But for general wards like the one that 'Er indoors was in a few weeks ago there would have been no more problem than some human visitors would pose.  Also I see no problem with dog visits in a nursing home.

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