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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:55 pm

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well I would suggest that you apply very strict quarantine laws about keeping animals out of hos



Obviously there are certain wards that would not be suitable for visits.  But for general wards like the one that 'Er indoors was in a few weeks ago there would have been no more problem than some human visitors would pose.  Also I see no problem with dog visits in a nursing home.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:47 pm

I always squirt my hands with the provided sterilising fluid on my way into hospitals and/or when going into various departments. However, what about people's feet? They seem never to be catered for. Surely dirty footwear must be a big factor as regards hospital infections. I always think it would be good to have a doormat impregnated with disinfectant for people to walk across.

I agree about people at the nursing home stage of an illness andsome. Just keep animals out of where people have had recent surgery and the wounds might still be vulnerable to infections.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:42 pm

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I always squirt my hands with the provided sterilising fluid on my way into hospitals and/or when going into various departments. However, what about people's feet? They seem never to be catered for. Surely dirty footwear must be a big factor as regards hospital infections. I always think it would be good to have a doormat impregnated with disinfectant for people to walk across.

I agree about people at the nursing home stage of an illness andsome. Just keep animals out of where people have had recent surgery and the wounds might still be vulnerable to infections.
 Even clothes Mart it all spreads infections.

For instance Spanish ladies do not wash their hands after a pee but do after a poo. Horrible in my view.

Infection is airborne.  It's about throughough cleaning of wards. There is no money to do this in the UK due to budget restraints.

In Spain wards rooms were cleaned three times a day, floors beds, en suite. You get a right earful from the domestic if you were to stop her in anyway  smile

You see there is no, management structure here, no medical secretaries and no clinic co-ordinators as in the UK the nurse runs the clinic list and that's it. It took me 20 minutes to see a consultant this morning and he writes in the notes and straight into the computer. 

The UK suffers from to many admin staff and management tier structure. Junior doctors are aware of this and often are forced into treble shifts due to orders from above. How can you treat patients when you are tired.

The nurses typical shift here is 8 hours, they go home once completed and do not work overtime. They are happy and relaxed.

I never told the I was an ex  nurse whilst in hospital, so they would not feel uncomfortable. In was just Joe Blogs  smile
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:56 pm

human visitors don't spontaneously pee or crap where they are standing dogs have a tendency to do so and if you are about to suggest that you wee them or crap them before going in then who cleans up the mess in the carefully manicured grounds !! - easier to ban them!
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:07 am

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human visitors don't spontaneously pee or crap where they are standing dogs have a tendency to do so and if you are about to suggest that you wee them or crap them before going in then who cleans up the mess in the carefully manicured grounds !! - easier to ban them!

It is the law in the UK that dog owners clean up after their dogs have crapped. Our dog many years ago, and my granddaughters dog now do not crap on an hourly basis, and once they have done so it is safe to take them anywhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 am

I think some species being allowed in to hospitals could be beneficial.

* An English 'Setter' to help with broken bones.

* A Bloodhound for sniffing out blood groups.

* A Monitor Lizard to keep an eye on heart conditions.

* A Nurse Shark to look after patients.

* A Secretary Bird to help with the paperwork.

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:23 am

Mart wrote:
I think some species being allowed in to hospitals could be beneficial.

* An English 'Setter' to help with broken bones.

* A Bloodhound for sniffing out blood groups.

* A Monitor Lizard to keep an eye on heart conditions.

* A Nurse Shark to look after patients.

* A Secretary Bird to help with the paperwork.

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:53 am

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human visitors don't spontaneously pee or crap where they are standing dogs have a tendency to do so and if you are about to suggest that you wee them or crap them before going in then who cleans up the mess in the carefully manicured grounds !! - easier to ban them!
 Sad to think you could be lying  in a hospital bed one day peeing and crapping.  Not my language folks.

I would simply walk by and leave you  to fester and encourage my colleagues to do the same. You see medical staff are in charge of your destiny.  We stick together, just like you see on this forum. You even choose to ignore that.

How you treat people in life and in hospital reflects the way you get treated  smile

Most men who appear tough  are whimpering, crying, snivelling babies.

It's the ones who don't complain or respectful and grateful aka andsome and others.The older generation in general. That's who I nursed at the end  of my career. A proud generation often going through both world wars, knowing lack of food and resources.  Not having the privilege of modern data technology.

You do not wind me up at all Davo. Seen it, read the book and have the T shirt. I have dealt with more difficult people in my time then you.

Why don't you go volunteer in accident and emergency and get an idea what the pressures  are really like. We had  lovely volunteers with us who visited patients to comfort them if they felt lonely. I always feel volunteering is good for the soul.

Your ideas on the NHS  are outdated my friend, why cause you live in Aussie. Where I believe you have medicare an excellent service.

If you wish to recieve a sensible reply and not going to cause trouble for your own amusement. I may chose to ignore all your posts or reply as I see fit


 So you  see mate , you either want to discuss or debate sensibly so the forum has decent thread source and not look into other people's discussions that you interpretation is cat fighting.

Malcolm and Saags worked hard to make this a nice polite forum and do not need the hassle.

Of course you could merely be just a Troll  smile Only kidding mate. You Aussie can take a joke  murgs dance

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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:43 am

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davo wrote:
human visitors don't spontaneously pee or crap where they are standing dogs have a tendency to do so and if you are about to suggest that you wee them or crap them before going in then who cleans up the mess in the carefully manicured grounds !! - easier to ban them!
 Sad to think you could be lying  in a hospital bed one day peeing and crapping.  Not my language folks.

I would simply walk by and leave you  to fester and encourage my colleagues to do the same. You see medical staff are in charge of your destiny.  We stick together, just like you see on this forum. You even choose to ignore that.


Now that I could believe ... when my mum was in hospital I have to say some of the nurses were disappointing. Whilst I can see they might feel the NHS has failed them in their work conditions and pay I had expected them to take more pride in their job or show some concern for their patients.

For instance, the buzzer was always hooked over the end of mum's bed where she could not reach it. She'd got as she didn't like to ask them for anything or sound like she was complaining.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:26 pm

I would simply walk by and leave you  to fester and encourage my colleagues to do the same.


Wow the epitome of the well trained UK nurse and one who holds true to a dedicated service to all mankind regardless of creed or background.


so how patients are treated in your opinion is how they respond or even criticise the hospital staff and care they  are receiving ?




Malcolm and Saags worked hard to make this a nice polite forum and do not need the

hassle.


I think in assuming you can speak for everyone you need to allow Malcolm and Saags to speak for themselves as Saags has done so above - any comment on her comment perhaps?
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:55 pm

Davo you were using me as entertainment and having a bet with Gandalph or so you claim. Your remarks at times are appalling at times especially to women. You made out in a comment. Who said intelligent, referring to women.  

I was trained under the certain laws under NHS protocol, we treat all equally. No matter what creed, colour, sex etc.

I have treated patients I do not like and got treated exactly  the same as other patients.  Do you think staff do not talk behind closed doors. The nicer ones got treated with respect for which they deserve. We have been spat at punched, kicked, sworn at, abused.  All  patients got treated the same regardless.

I just pointed out the situation you could find yourself in. The younger nurses are not so tolerant I have seen it. Most degree nurses who haven't done full training like us oldies. One degree nurse said to me I am not getting shit on my hands for anyone. I have a degree  She sure did on my shift,  My generation were nurse who cared and gave their all.

I still have friends in the profession now getting fed up with protocol  and attitudes from SOME not all patients.  They get blamed for management decisions not their own.


You are still trying to divide the forum in my view by quoting Sags and Malcolm views. They have their own views are clearly stated in today's posts.

I always notice you are quick to defend most of the men but not so much the women unless you are trying to gain support.

Most of my friends off the forum think Aussie men are behind the times chauvinistic, overbearing with jokes we do not understand , over opinionated. Let's throw another on the Barbie and open another tinny mate.

I don't even like Paul Hogan find him very unfunny or Kevin Bloody Wilson 

If I want to comment I will. Certainly not if you say so.

Again you missed my humour about leaving you fester. Funny  I thought Aussies had a sense of humour

I will be very wary of you now. So don't expect much comment in the future. 

Now who you going to bet on in the futurec to fill your time. Oh you still have the good morning thread and what's on the menu to mock as I have seen you do...

Good day mate go have a tinny on me hat
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:50 pm

Take it easy there Goldie girl you are trying my patience, and I don't want to have to close another thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Dogs on Hospital Wards   Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:03 pm

malcolm wrote:
Take it easy there Goldie girl you are trying my patience, and I don't want to have to close another thread.
OK Malcolm accept your conditions and will be ignoring Davo from now on.  smile
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